Friday, September 14, 2007

You MUST watch this video of Joel Osteen preaching at Lakewood Church in Houston. He not only twists Scriptures and the Gospel, but he misses every single point of orthodoxy in his preaching here. It is a short 3 minute clip.

I do not say this to bad-mouth Joel. However, I do say this because he is a heretic in sheep's clothing. He is a false teacher who seems to be preaching the gospel, but he is NOT preaching the biblical Gospel.

Acts 20:29-31 29 "I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. 31 "Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for a period of three years I did not cease to admonish each one with tears.

Titus 1:10-14 10 For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, 11 who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain. 12 One of themselves, a prophet of their own, said, "Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons." 13 This testimony is true. For this reason reprove them severely so that they may be sound in the faith, 14 not paying attention to Jewish myths and commandments of men who turn away from the truth.

May we be those who pray earnestly for Joel, his wife, Victoria, his family and his church -- that that they may realize the truth that we are NOT born healthy and "good" people. But that Jesus Christ has died and paid for all our sins so that by faith in Jesus Christ alone apart from works, we may be saved. May God be honored to bring the true biblical gospel to this man.


Anonymous said...

I don't necessarily agree with Joel Osteen's comments, however, I think that it is hard to determine his entire message based on 3 minutes of video (which has been artfully edited to persuade the viewer in a particular direction).

geoffrey kirkland said...

Dear Anonymous,

Sure, I completely understand what you are saying:

Take a look at these clips from the Larry King Live show. It is clear that Joel does NOT know (or believe) the biblical gospel:

My heart breaks for this man and his church,



Stephanie said...

Hey Geoff, its Stephanie! I don't know Joel Osteen that well, but here are some thoughts about the content of the message he preached in the youtube video you posted.

I think that what Joel is preaching here is actually an "overrealized eschatology." I have heard others preach a "health and wealth gospel" before and it certainly is not biblical, however, I think that there is a reason this is an attractive thing for people. The idea that we will be freed from all sickness, depression, financial trouble, low self-esteem...actually, this is true! We will be freed from these when our salvation is made complete, when Jesus returns as our victorious king and we live on the new earth under his reign. We only have a taste of this now, and it is error to claim that we can have complete victory over these things now, however, it is what we look forward to. It strikes me that people who preach this sort of "totally victory" NOW actually are picking up on certain biblical truth, however, it is overrealized, an error on the TIMING of our complete and totaly victory, which is going to come with the final consummation.

So, I would say that Joel Osteen is in error here, however, I would be careful about calling him a heretic. I have been admonished by people older and wiser than me that we need to be very careful with the "h-word." Throughout Christian history, leaders of the church used that word very sparingly, because it basically was a condemnation of someone to hell. It might be better to say that Joel is in serious error to be careful with our words. Then again, I don't know him and his message that well.

geoffrey kirkland said...


Thanks so much for your comment and your very helpful insights. I completely agree with you that all our imperfections will be changed when we are made complete ONLY when the Lord Jesus returns and we are made perfect just as He is perfect.

However, Stephanie, this man does NOT preach the gospel. In his book, which I read recently, he says that Jesus Christ died NOT for our sins, but to rescue us from evil influence. He says that Jesus Christ is NOT the only way to the Father.

I am calling him a heretic so that Christians will not be lured away by him and his false teaching. The reason he is so attractive to people today (including Christians) is that he wraps all that he says with Scripture (most of which he completely takes OUT of context). I call him a heretic not to bad-mouth him, but to guard our people from false teaching -- which it is overwhelmingly clear that Joel is a false teacher.

Consider this: Titus 1:10-13 "For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers...who must be silenced...For this reason reprove them severely so that they may be sound in the faith."

Acts 20:28 28 "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

Thanks for your thoughts and your comment, Stephanie. You are very perceptive and wise. However, let me say that I find it my responsibility as a Pastor to guard my sheep from wolves who are dressed in sheep clothing.

Many blessings to you and Wes as you labor for the Lord,


Anonymous said...


I applaud your boldness and passion for the purity of the Gospel. My only comment is this- compare what John MacArthur does with questions on Larry King Live compared to the equivocation of Osteen and his kindred...MacArthur consistently makes the Gospel crystal clear...there's no doubt about heaven and hell...blood atonement...sin and judgement...only one way...the exclusive means to salvation through the work of Christ on the Cross...the false idols that other religions advocate.

Then there's equivocation...which is tantamount to shame over the work of our Saviour.

If heresy (yes, the h-word) were not a problem, Paul's admonitions in the Pastorals and John's impaasioned pleas in his Epistles would not have been necessary. But, we are livng in the last days. And true ministers of the Gospel are called to shout the truth not mumble or equivocate.

The word of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing. Christ did not die to make us healthy and wealthy. He died to pay the debt of a righteous God.

I am hesitant to say it but will anyway...a church that is the largest in the US ( or at least in the top 2 or 3) is probably compromising somewhere. People do not flock to hear the unadulterated Gospel. The road to heaven is narrow, the road to hell is wide and broad. There are the few and the many according to Scripture.

As I challenged you several years ago, "fulfill your calling".



geoffrey kirkland said...


I appreciate your words. I agree with you wholeheartedly. One note just to add (to your great words) is this:

If false teaching about the Gospel, atonement, faith and good works, etc. was not really that much of a "big deal," then we should cut out all three of the pastorals (1,2 Timothy and Titus) from our Bibles. Sure these letters are helpful in church order, church leadership, etc., but one of the main themes interwoven through all three of these letters is the fact that Timothy is COMMANDING young Timothy and Titus to beware for false teachers. It is a common thread in his writing.

So, I take the command that Paul gives to his young comrades in the faith and am eager to do the same.

Thanks for the encouragement,

Anonymous said...

Just one more note- see Justin Taylor's post on Between Two Worlds ("Joel Osteen, the mega church and the mini gospel"):


Anonymous said...

Geoff, I agree with you assessment of Osteen. He, and others who peddle the health and wealth "gospel" sell no true gospel at all. The god they point people to is not the God of the Bible.

Geoff continue to boldly stand for the gospel!

Les Prouty

noneuclidean said...

Joel Osteen makes me sad. I'm glad to hear someone else calling his false teaching what they really are--false teaching.

It was great meeting with you this afternoon. We're looking forward to the show.


geoffrey kirkland said...

Thanks, brother. Great to hear from you!

Keep pressing on!

The Spirit of Elijah said...

Good work in the research you all who agree have done. You have all accomplished a part in scripture which is a guide to save you very souls. "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1 NASB. All should realize that his, Joel's, ministry has grown and some of you judge incorrectly while saying, "surely he must be doing something right". "Stop judging by external standards, and judge by true standards" (John 7:24).
Listen folks in his new book there is no mention of God, making life about us when we are created for His, that is LORD GOD Most High's purpose, not ours. The Christian Faith is not about how good you are or how well you preform, simply put, if you could be, this would prove my father a lie. I am glad I am a sinner. -Watch you of little faith judge my statement without reading the context- Again I am glad I am a sinner for this reason, Christ died for sinners. If I were not a sinner then I could boast and would not need Christ. The Father is serious people, so in fact have you not known He places His own word above His head. There is a new peace to the Trinity,.... how do you people say it LOL..yes laugh out loud. With that He said "if you do not have the Son you do not have life". To understand my Father look to Hosea. God tells him marry a harlot -there is something to question- because we, the church, are a harlot and Hosea symbolizes the Father. READ 4 URSELF. The moral, she, that is we, would not accept the Father, so he sent the children, or Jesus. And if He, Jesus, is not the main focus of your life, I will miss you.
Joel takes what people with itchy ears want to hear and draws man to himself and away from the Bible. For if you listen to him, Joel, he fills you up and why read the bible if all I have to do is listen to him. And he says think positive. They will say is this the one who was to lead the people and look he is ......... READ REVELATION FOR MORE INFO.

MAtt said...

Geoffrey, I competely agree with Joel Olsteen ......for about the first 10 seconds of that video. after that,( accompanied by the other youtube videos with Larry King I've seen him in) He DEFINITELY establishes himself as a false teacher, and make no mistake about it, Heretic is NOT too strong of a word to describe him.
Alot of what Joel Olsteen "preaches" sounds plausible and some is even applicable to Christians ,aka living an abundant life, total victory, The fact that Jesus rose etc.The problem arises because he redefines these terms beyond their biblical meaning.

you people who Like Joel Olsteen out there, or to those of you
who are unsure, Please understand that we ARE NOT saying that God hates Joel Olsteen and wants him to burn in Hell Forever.He loves Jpel Olsteen, and wants him to come to repentence but he HATES what he stands for because he is spreading another gospel.
At first glance, Joel olsteen seems like a good preacher, and he puts enough truth in his messages to make it sound like its from the Bible.However, his confessions say otherwise.He has stated that he will not preach on sin, He does not "judge" those who do not believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven (BTW, we ARE allowed to make judgements on people BASED ON SSCRIPTURAL DOCTRINES)and he point blank states that even ATHIESTS can make it to heaven, because its not his place if to say that "their way" is wrong.If that isn't heresy, I don't know what is.

All of what I say is backed by the entire Book of John and Romans. Also look up the passages Matthew 17:15, 16

II Tim 4:3,4

Troy said...

God created us with many individual gifts, a mind and a heart. Sin hardens our hearts and closes our minds. Relationship with the trinity softens hardened hearts and opens closed minds.
Consider all those who have invited Jesus into their hearts, increased their relationship with the Father and now listen for the Holy Spirit's leading due to J.O's ministry.
Scripture informs us that we will know them by their fruits. Matt. 12:34,,, from the heart the mouth speaks. This is how we can make judgements about ourselves and others. Condemnation is not for us, even the angels merely rebuked the enemy. Condemnation is The Lord's holy authority.
In the spiritual warfare arena we are all in, constant awareness serves the body of Christ. Using our individual gifts to serve and honor the Father (Matt 25,,,talents) most of us would do well enough, being aware that we don't serve ourselves mistakingly.
Exposing false teaching is critical while the world searches for political correctness, harmony of faiths, and ideals which seem accepting by all. Jesus died for our sins so that through his sacrifice we could be reconciled to the Father. Believing this is critical but not a guarantee of salvation. Acceptance, repentance and submission must also occur. Rom's 12 By this standard how many false conversions have there been?, led by well meaning pastors who along with their elders could be considered false teachers? In essence robbing souls from the Father by only revealing part of the truth and thereby rendering people useless to the body of Christ.
Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control. Gal 5.
Often I think there should be a tenth fruit, forgiveness.

Troy <)))><

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Jesus Christ and the Apostles preached repentance sin and hell, why doesn't Joel Osteen? Should a nice smile and a way with words override the Truth as it is revealed in Scripture? Should we listen to a man who denies Jesus Christ as the only way unto eternal life on the Larry King show? Absolutely not, as Joel Osteen is a false teacher!!! Politically correct 'preachers' are an abomination to a Holy and just God.

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For any of those above who don't want to believe the heresy because some quotes are too brief and "out of context" I challenge you all to find or identify some context where he does preach the gospel of Jesus Christ as taught in the New Testament gospels or letters of Paul.

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